How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

topic posted Tue, January 3, 2006 - 4:03 PM by  The Bibliophile
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[Note: by Jose Stevens, Ph.D. ]

The following is a brief description of the characteristics of five basic soul levels. Each level has many lifetimes of lessons to teach us wisdom through trial and error.

THE INFANT SOUL
INFANT SOULS choose lessons of physical survival. They live in simple situations that include intense experiences - famine, plagues, floods, wars, oppression, etc. They don't know the difference between right and wrong, though they can be taught to be decent human beings. They don't usually seek higher education and often don't seek employment, as such. Infant souls don't question authority and willingly adopt the religion of their parents as is.

THE BABY SOUL
BABY SOULS display less fear than infant souls and are more
sophisticated. But they tend to over apply rules. Black is black as far as they're concerned. Their strong early beliefs remain fixed in their minds, regardless of lack of their wisdom or tolerance. Baby souls love to become big fish in their little puddles...but hate being opposed. Because of this they may spend much time in litigation. Baby souls don't spend time navel-gazing into their own lives. They're often "good students" that learn "proper subjects," and are attracted to
fundamentalist religions.

THE YOUNG SOUL
YOUNG SOULS are the "Donald Trumps" of the world...the movers and shakers. They usually set the bar too high for themselves. Achievement is paramount. They chase after what they believe will bring success without ever stopping to think why - because they're so limited in their perception. They fear death and must have all the toys, experiences, fame and money they can possibly accumulate before they die. They are designers of civilization. Young souls usually seek higher education and graduate-level degrees. Their views of orthodoxy are at one end of the spectrum or the other. Monks and nuns are at one end and a belief in total sexual freedom, the other. They have difficulty with insight into other people's behaviour.

THE MATURE SOUL
MATURE SOULS challenge the young soul's desire to "have it all." It is a hard cycle that demands seeking answers to life's tough questions. They are attracted to gentler faiths, such as Quaker, Unitarian, or Buddhist. Mature souls are not as open to the occult as old souls. They look for and question the motivation for all of life's actions. They often continue with inappropriate relationships - perhaps believing that through self-sacrifice, or tough lessons they will ultimately prevail. Often they can't shake their sense of duty. Mature souls suffer from stress related illness that sometimes results in schizophrenia, psychosis and a higher suicide rate than other souls. [Cayce emphasized the role that `stress' plays in not only physical illnesses but also mental illnesses; he believed it was `stress' that wrecked havoc on the brain chemistry/balance]. But they're smart enough to seek professional help without urging. Mature souls often make huge contributions to knowledge - particularly philosophical and scientific. But altogether they don't necessarily have the drive for fame, many still achieve it. They're emotionally high maintenance.

THE OLD SOUL
OLD SOULS live and let live. They seek the route of least
resistance...they're individualistic and usually easy going. They have an inner knowing of the waste of time in pursuing fame and fortune and therefore create the appearance of being "laid back." Old souls are highly competent - even in roles they don't particularly like. They tend to choose work that is pleasant and undemanding, leaving them free to pursue their desired goals easily...unless the job adds to the spiritual search. They may or may not seek higher education... but definitely will seek it if they sense it's needed for their chosen path. Old souls create confidence in animals. And their choice of medical care tends to be alternative and holistic. Old souls are here to teach others their spiritual understandings. Their philosophies and writings are simple and easy to read. Old souls religion is far reaching and has no
label. A grove of trees is a sacred place to them. They seldom cling to dogma and prefer personal spiritual practices. However, old souls are wise enough to be discreet in their religious practices and know how to pass in public undetected. They focus on searching for the spiritual truth and have a finer sense of knowing what is true than any other souls level. Old souls all over the world share the experience of emptiness and a longing for that feeling of home.
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The Bibliophile
Pennsylvania
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  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Mon, January 30, 2006 - 11:55 AM
    Greetings to you all! I just found this tribe "by accident," and it feels so good here. Just thanks for being here. I feel like I needed a friend who understood me, and just by reading some of your thoughts, I see that you know exactly how I feel.

    Here is another way to tell an old soul:

    An Old Soul has many interests and may be quite a generalist. Sometimes, an Old Soul does not find his/her niche until later in life. This is because all those interests can take one here and there and it takes a while to develop a THEME under which all those interests can be brought together.

    Of course, once in a while, the THEME emerges quite early, and the Old Soul is called a "prodigy." This is because the Old Soul has chosen an environment that will immediately incorporate the THEME. ;-)

    Do any of you understand that? :-)
    • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

      Mon, January 30, 2006 - 9:30 PM
      >>An Old Soul has many interests and may be quite a generalist. Sometimes, an Old Soul does not find his/her niche until later in life.<<

      I can identify with that statement - I have enough interests for several people but not enough time for one person to do them all. There are times when I find it difficul to believe that some people really have no hobbies, and that more have just one. One? Can someone's interests be so limited that they only have one hobby?

      All of those interests have led me down that generalist path, which for awhile I thought might be a liability when getting a job. When I was in college, some friends had their career path all mapped out, some were big on their 5 year plan, and I sometimes wondered what might be wrong with me that nothing specific appealed to me, but still felt confident that i'd wind up in the right place.

      Being a generalist has actually been a huge asset - it means I can talk to lots of different types of groups and people and sometimes "interpret" communication between them. After a typically varied journey, I have a "career" in software design and business analysis, which I absolutely love. And when teh computer day is over, I'm out in the yard for the other growing obsession - landscaping. And since one yard isn't enough, I'm helping friends landscape their yards and using them as test beds for design, all of which might lead me to a side or hobby job doing landscape design.

      (of course, landscaping doesn't stop with plants, there's concrete work, tiling, wood work, plumbing, electrical, general construction... )

      OK, who's next?
      • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

        Thu, February 2, 2006 - 11:19 AM
        Hi, Kevin,

        Wow....you DO understand, how cool!

        You, I agree with you that being a "Generalist" can be quite an advantage in this day and age.

        I'm thinking that once one has lived many many lives, one can see reality from many facets. One becomes a Multi-dimensional being.

        Here's one of my favorite quotes:

        Specialization is in fact only a fancy form of slavery wherein the 'expert' is fooled into accepting his slavery by making him feel that in return he is in a socially and culturally preferred, ergo, highly secure, lifelong position. But only the king's son receives kingdom-wide scope of training.

        -- R. Buckminster Fuller, "Operating Manual for Spaceship Earth"

        I found this quote at a place called "The Creative Generalist."
        creativegeneralist.blogspot.com/

        It looks quite interesting!

        Myself, I've always been interested in "everything"!! I love to do art, music, writing, crafts. I've studied science, business, politics, astrology, religion. etc. etc. etc. I've finally come to the point to call myself a "Priestess of Creativity, Health, and Prosperity."

        I read a book by Anais Nin, where she said she was torn between art, music and writing. Of course I understood how she felt. I finally chose writing as a focus for my creativity; yet I do art and music when I want to relax!

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          Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

          Mon, February 27, 2006 - 1:11 PM
          We need never be "torn between" what inspires our soul. 'AND' not 'OR'
          There is so much in life to play with, to learn from, to share and receive......How can we be bored!!
          Maggie, I loved that "Multi-dimensional being
      • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

        Tue, March 18, 2008 - 7:08 PM
        That is cool you could incorporate your love of landscaping and devolop a program.
        heheh...I have several interests myself.
        And I am wanting to back to college but trying to pinpoint what major perplexes me.
        I at one time thought I would go into Psychology.
        I was always asked for advice on things from friends. But it didn't really click for me I do know I want to help others.
        But as I have 4 children now my youngest that has been diagnosed as PDD I am looking for information in this area.
        So who knows this may be where I am being led.

        My other intersts ...Reading, Writing poetry, Listening to music, Singing, Dancing, Photography, Drawing, Decorating,Gardening, Home Repairs, Computers, Web Design, and it just keeps on going....heheh.
        Never enough time for it all.
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Tue, April 4, 2006 - 10:56 PM
    good stuff! the michael teachings delve quite deep into soul age and its affect on one's tendencies in life...i think all the concepts are available online. i just thought i'd bring up that while one may see themselves as falling into a particular soul age, it is important to remember that being an old soul is in no way inherently better than being a young soul, etc. just as an old man can have many years behind him and yet be cold toward the world, a young soul can lack experience yet fully embrace and love those around him/her. one can be an old soul, having incarnated through many lifetimes and still not have learned the proper lessons. i'm sure (and i hope) many people realize this. its only human and natural to categorize and define as better, higher, lower so i just thought i'd bring awareness to it. the ego's attachment to identity can be a great obstacle..
    • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

      Sun, April 30, 2006 - 10:29 AM
      <the ego's attachment to identity can be a great obstacle.. >

      Absolutely, Ryan! I just enjoy these distinctions of soul age to give me peace and more understanding of myself and other people. You wouldn't expect a 5-year-old to be able to understand quantum mechanics. So I can rest easy and stop trying to get my mother to understand why I am a spiritual "seeker." For some reason, it really bothers her. And she wants me to have money, too. She worries about me constantly because I've never been interested in pursuing money. So I no longer have to worry about that, either. I don't have to save my sister's marriage because she causes so much trouble in it--she's in that soul age where she's experimenting with the boundaries of relationship. I'm saying that these distinctions help me understand and relax.

      Also, I would never expect an intimate relationship to go anywhere if my partner wasn't an old soul, either. I would never be able to share the deepest parts of my heart and be understood. So these distinctions help me to find a better partner for myself, should I be interested in that.
  • well, im not too sure you can fit all the possibilities into just a few catagories....there are some imbetweens....and some younger souls than the infant.......sometimes there is just the "there" souls.
    and then there are souls that are beyond ancient, they were the first creations of god, and i think.....the hippies, and tree huggers, were once the souls part of earth it's self and one day, the earth will be just a couple of souls.
    i dunno, im probibly just babbling.

    call it wat u will......the whole infant to old soul is really just an estimation of age.....
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Sat, August 25, 2007 - 3:23 AM
    Thank you for this site. Over the past several years, I have been told by people that they can tell by looking in my eyes that I have an "Old Soul". As Intriguing and flattering as this might be (not to mention a little scary) I finally decided to do some research on the subject. Reading your piece on the different types of souls, I can definitely say that I am not an old soul. I find myself to still be somewhat critical of society and where I see it going. This is a feeling I have had since I was ten years old. It just might mean that I have just been a curmudgeon most of my life, hahaha! I thank you so much for your research and writing on this subject.
    • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

      Mon, September 17, 2007 - 10:26 AM
      This is luscious. Sometimes I just don't get where other people are comming from - with their tensions and senseless pursuits. Thank you. I am currently arriving at a cycle of life where these answers are comming in clear formats, like the ten worlds in Buddhism. It makes me laugh and puts things into clear perspective for me reading the difference between the mature and the old. I am no doubt old in all that I am. I also, though, feel like we were born at a critical time. We have lived many lives as old souls, and now we must DO something. We must take action in order to save our planet and our species and our beautiful beautiful wonders. At the same time, we must EVOLVE people at an incredible rate.

      I feel that we are living in a time much like Hitlers Germany. And if all of us old souls do what comes naturally - lovingly sitting in our sacred groves and discussing/commencing/loving others like ourselves in blissful retreatest harmony, only 30% of what needs done will be done. It is time to act, and sometimes it is stressful and feels like I have slipped into the mature realm. The trick is to know what our individual missions are. Some of us old souls should be sitting under the proverbial Bodhi tree. Some of us have harder work to accomplish. It is important to remember, during this difficult work to always keep your center - knowing that everything happens in its due course, knowing that the Earth will survive, knowing that we cannot save everyone, and knowing that there is no black and white. There is only a center of perfect harmony everywhere all at once.
      • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

        Tue, September 18, 2007 - 9:30 AM
        An old soul is in general someone who keeps making the same mistakes. Nothing to be too proud of because it means you are simply stuck on repeat.
        Because once you are really old and have suffered enough, you start to see the light and you get it and then you get out of it.
        If you are still there getting buried in your own patterns it means that you didn't. By now, you have accumulated enough energy to dig your own grave with your patterns and live very interesting lives.
        This the end pattern of learning through pain and the starting learning through wisdom not wisdoom.
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Tue, September 18, 2007 - 10:56 AM
    An Old Soul can be a slow learner in some ways and a prodigy in others! Many "geniuses" are Old Souls who still haven't learned how to function from their Heart. (For an example, study Einstein's private life....or even Ghandi's!!!)

    Perhaps the term "Old Soul" should be changed to "Big Soul" because it is made up of many lives! :-) Perhaps some old souls simply want to keep reincarnating because they love life so very much!

    Some of us have learned most of our lessons, but we stick around for other reasons. Perhaps we were here at the beginning and want to see how it all works out!

    But I agree with Star that we are here to ACT in some way. If you are an Old Soul, though, you realize that you can make a huge difference with just a "little" action. You just have to know where to put it! ;-) And that's the TRICK, isn't it?

    I wonder, too, about Souls. Maybe some Souls can combine (in love) and incarnate as One? Maybe that keeps happening until everyone is combined into ONE! :-)

    And then the cycle starts all over again! Because variety is the spice of life! The Life Force is endlessly creative.....
    • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

      Tue, September 18, 2007 - 1:33 PM
      >>I wonder, too, about Souls. Maybe some Souls can combine (in love) and incarnate as One? Maybe that keeps happening until everyone is combined into ONE! :-) <<

      I've often thought that this is the function of so-called "soul families" and "soul groups."
      • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

        Sat, September 22, 2007 - 8:35 AM
        Yes, there is material on that from the Seth material (animals of a litter joining together as one gestalt) and Judy Hall refers to the whole aspect in her book on souls.

        "Soul families" and "soul groups" are a different notion. They sometimes work as support system and "soulmates" of which there is a variety can give you a hard time if you need to learn something along these lines.

        Consciousness is a complex and bumpy road. We lay the land.
        • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

          Wed, October 10, 2007 - 2:28 PM
          This is how I realize I am on Old Soul: I remember. My brain is full of Very Old Stuff that I remember in doing things and being places. I remember Vietnam. I remember Deutschland. I remember Tibet. I remember Jerusalem when it was a metropolis (for its time). I remember being not-human. I remember breathing freaking WATER! I remember a place that was Not Earth. I hear languages mad in sounds that a human throat cannot enunciate. The weight of time often drags on me. I have of late learned to "let go." And yes, I usually hang out with those I've known before. Attraction of like-to-like. And then we end up driving each other crazy.
          • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

            Wed, November 7, 2007 - 10:09 AM
            For years I tried to find my own power animal. I could see other people's very clearly, but my own was a mystery, except the lion I barely remember being, and the guides which have obviously become part of me. THEN, as I was brushing my teeth, this huge past life regression happened and I remembered almost all of my lifetime as a CAMEL! How fun, it is my clearest and longest past life memory. Than you for bringing up the topic of animals, Radu!
        • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

          Thu, October 11, 2007 - 7:25 AM
          Yes, and sometimes different authors and teachers define these terms in different ways. For instance, in his book "The Tenth Insight," James Redfield defines "soul group" as a spiritual group of your "past selves" that are available to advise you in your present life.

          My own "soul group" is made up of my favorite past-life selves, and ones that I consider more knowledgeable or wise than most. Every so often, another one pops up and gives me some insight or wisdom that I didn't know before.

          With Old Souls, soul-groups could be very unwieldy if you include ALL your past lives at once! So I choose the ones that seem to have the most relevance to THIS life.

          As Jane Roberts (and Seth) say: "The Power is in the Present." The purpose of past-life remembrance or Soul Group communication is to improve THIS PRESENT LIFE.
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Thu, November 22, 2007 - 8:49 PM

    Deep Bowes ~

    Yet I would say:
    We are often 'mixed': part of us is younger, part older.

    And we can grow (evolve) ourselves too, '"growing ourselves up"
    Meditation does this nicely, I believe.

    Also - there are "Ancient Souls"...the Buddha's
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Tue, December 4, 2007 - 4:36 PM
    This categorization seems hierarchical.. which is something I'm not so sure applies to souls. Maybe even a bit self-satisfying. In the sense that it would seem to automatically regard all those wonderful spiritual seekers here on tribes as mature or old souls.

    Also, when reading about the old souls description, I'm reminded of the archetype of the (indian) shaman.. but so many ancient, wise teachers have lead very rough or achievement-oriented lives at first. The Young-Mature-Old soul seems more like the transitions which we make in our own life stories (I am reminded of Dan McAdams narrative psychology for instance) as we eventually grow to transmit that which we've learned.

    I'm curious to know how Jose Stevens developed these insights, and if people recognize this from their own experiences or sources of knowledge.
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:35 AM
    I really think old, OLD souls tend to feel (at least at first) a sense of being an outcast like they don't belong here. AT least that is what I've been told from various healers and it makes a lot of sense to me. The fact that they feel like an outcast to me, means that they are working and thinking at a much more advanced level and feel more isolated as a result. I also think they have a greater desire to do good in the world eg. have a career of doing good and are much less motivated by: gee how much money can I make in this?
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Tue, November 25, 2008 - 8:32 PM
    you are wise grandson. You see but how many will speak what you say? How many will love when there is no reason to love? How many will follow your words? If you take a stick and punch a dog, how many times will the dog remember why you punched him> Or will he just remember that you punched him? The time will come when you must take many under your arm. Will your arms open for their bodies? Or will you set them aside? A two soul is coming.
  • Re: How to tell a Young Soul from an Old Soul

    Thu, January 22, 2009 - 12:09 PM
    My mother made a comment that challenged my thought/perceptions on reincarnation. I still ponder it.
    She said "I don't feel like I have to die to be reincarnated. I feel like I am living all of my lives in one lifetime."
    This got me thinking. Maybe we die and are reborn in sections and areas on going.
    Just as the cells in our boides are all at different stages of growing and/or dying...
    Maybe we purge ourselves in sections and are reborn in sections...
    I look back and see parts of the me I was and know that part of me has definitely died,
    only to be replaced with an new-and-improved/evolved version.
    I also see parts of me that are laid to rest. Gone. And I am better for it.
    Last, there are also parts of me that are the eternal student... open to life as if each day was my first...
    as if I am born into new exsistance with each new experience and discovering new parts of myself....

    I just get this vision of our souls...is it possible that they could be like our bodies in the respect that each body part functions as it's independent self, yet they also all work together collectively....
    With that, maybe there are parts of our souls in all of the stages above...some more in one state than the other...
    the concept of life evolves around many series of beginnings and endings doesnt it?
    Emotionally, relationally, physically...why not spiritually/our souls as well?
    I know, deep stuff.
    Just something to think about....

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