I have a fully packed life with events happening at breakneck speed sometimes.
I seem to defie all the odds and land on my feet though it takes a lot of maneuvering and work. I have amazing synchronicities.
I understand that I actually program my life this way. I am here to acquire wisdom through experience and am learning a great lot.
I do not see myself slowing down as I am genuinely learning.
Somehow, I feel that old soul should have more quiet peaceful lives as they flow through everything, all lessons learned. Maybe I am not quite there yet.
My next goal, and I like to defy all the odds, is to slow down the aging process so I learn all there is to know about this system and finally breakthrough...or just about.
I do not want to eternal on the earth system but stay long enough to master it.
Being reincarnated all the time is a waste of time.
A lot of the things that I read about, I have a feeling I was born knowing. I even remember banging my head against bars (in a previous life) and willing myself to remember...to remember.
Stuart Wilde claims that packing off the earth system is actually not that hard to achieve (It's always that way once you have done it, of course) and though the earth is a beautiful terrifying (at times) and awesome place there are more beautiful and peaceful system.
The earth was often a harsh school in the past.
Do you feel you are gearing near the end of your evolution here and what are your feelings on this?
I seem to defie all the odds and land on my feet though it takes a lot of maneuvering and work. I have amazing synchronicities.
I understand that I actually program my life this way. I am here to acquire wisdom through experience and am learning a great lot.
I do not see myself slowing down as I am genuinely learning.
Somehow, I feel that old soul should have more quiet peaceful lives as they flow through everything, all lessons learned. Maybe I am not quite there yet.
My next goal, and I like to defy all the odds, is to slow down the aging process so I learn all there is to know about this system and finally breakthrough...or just about.
I do not want to eternal on the earth system but stay long enough to master it.
Being reincarnated all the time is a waste of time.
A lot of the things that I read about, I have a feeling I was born knowing. I even remember banging my head against bars (in a previous life) and willing myself to remember...to remember.
Stuart Wilde claims that packing off the earth system is actually not that hard to achieve (It's always that way once you have done it, of course) and though the earth is a beautiful terrifying (at times) and awesome place there are more beautiful and peaceful system.
The earth was often a harsh school in the past.
Do you feel you are gearing near the end of your evolution here and what are your feelings on this?
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Re: Does it get easier...eventually and then we just skip out
Thu, August 30, 2007 - 8:04 AMGreetings, Ariadne,
There is indeed a feeling of frustration and, perhaps, desperation in your post. I like your name (Ariadne). I like this webpage (by the recently late Shekhinah Mountainwater) on the meaning of Ariadne as a Goddess/Heroine:
www.shekhinah.net/ExcerptAr...Thread.htm
An excerpt from the above webpage:
"The thread that guides us in and out is the same thread spun, woven and cut by the Goddesses of Fate, makers and unmakers of destiny. It is the same thread pulled from the body of Spider Woman of Hopi myth, with which She wove the universe, and which She attaches to the crown chakras of all Her children, to keep us connected to Her. It is the umbilical cord of birth and rebirth, from womb to tomb and back again.
"The monster is not a monster, but only the still heart center of woman, that men have so long suppressed and feared. Like the wheeling of the heavens, the twisting of serpents, the convolutions of our brains, the labyrinth unfolds and folds again upon itself, and all the meanings we hear about it are true. Back and back it goes, taking us into history, into herstory, into myth, into time and death and birth, into the Goddess, and into our deepest Selves. And if we can keep our hold upon the thread, it will lead us back and out again, as we traverse corridor upon corridor, labyrinth upon labyrinth, outwards and outwards 'til we have found spiritual rebirth."
What is the THREAD that runs through all your lives? That is the question that helps us find our way inward and outward in the Labyrinth of Life.....I like to think of it as a "golden thread" that connects everything together through eternity.
Many people tend to think of "old souls" as wise and peaceful and full of patience. However, perhaps "old souls" are simply "slow learners," eh?
Have you investigated the main past lives that are impacting THIS life? I find that we do not have to remember and deal with ALL our past lives. There are some past lives that are more relevant (to THIS life) than others. There are certain karmic lessons that you have set up for yourself to learn in THIS life.
The truth is: Time is simply a dimension. We look at it as "one life after another," but truly, all lives are happening at the same time. As we grow in perception, we become Multi-dimensional in our outlook.
I think women can relate to this Multidimensionality quite well...we have always been "multi-taskers." But I feel that now we need to slow down and cut out all the wasted energies in our lives. Really LOOK at the way we live our lives and let go of anything that we don't really NEED.
Then decide how you want to spend the time you have left. And decide what sort of activities you want your life to hold. And then use those as a GOAL as to where you are going with your life.
(I'm not trying to tell you what to do.........I can not do that. I am simply suggesting a way to manage Multi-dimensionality.)
Once we become TRULY Multidimensional Beings, we will be able to choose where our energy goes.
To understand more what I am talking about, I suggest reading Jane Roberts' wonderful book: "The Education of Oversoul 7." This is a fictional book that is based on multidimensionality-beyond-time. It shows how the concept of "Oversoul" works.
If you want to supplement this with an explanation of the concept, also read Jane Roberts' "Adventures in Consciousness: An Aspect Psychology book."
You can get these books here:
www.brassringbooks.com/store4...obt.htm
The gist of the above is that your Multidimentional Being is as an OVERSOUL with many different Aspects (your "lives'). The OVERSOUL is outside of Time. It enters into Time whenever it is wanted and needed. At those times, you will feel its great wisdom, peace, and patience. And probably also, a bit of amusement!
I feel that we are HERE NOW for some very important reasons. Uncovering those reasons can truly give us quiet peace....even as we are performing the actions that balance our karma.
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Thu, August 30, 2007 - 11:58 AMCould you explain what you mean by manage Multi-dimensionality?
“There is indeed a feeling of frustration and, perhaps, desperation in your post. “
Oh yes, I realized that as soon as I posted and reread it. I showed up to delete it but you had already answered. Yes, you are right.
I chose the name Ariadne lately because it really fitted the me of me now, as of now, for now.
“Many people tend to think of "old souls" as wise and peaceful and full of patience. However, perhaps "old souls" are simply "slow learners," eh?”
Funny. I told the same thing to a friend because he claimed to be an old soul and proud of it. He is simply a stuck-on-repeat soul, full of himself and playing games with his mother for money.
He was wondering about another person being a young soul and getting it right all the time.
Refreshing isn’t it!
Many old souls are simply stuck.
Oh, no! I am nowhere finished. For one I attract abusers again and again and worse, am attracted to them but I realized the pattern.
A smart neighbor redirected me with uncanny exactitude to the Celestial Prophecy and it was very relevant – the Intimidator /Victim bit.
My usual style is to run away into mental construct and “spirituality” or “creativity” but maybe this time I way stay and confront the pattern – not the person. We are mutual teachers. I will try to do it in an enlightened way.
Or maybe not all the way. Learning is also letting go.
I am finally out of my intellectual rationalizing self enough to learn.
There are things I understand very well and some not well at all. I realized that though I have a reputation for intelligence, I am not that much.
“Have you investigated the main past lives that are impacting THIS life? I find that we do not have to remember and deal with ALL our past lives. There are some past lives that are more relevant (to THIS life) than others. There are certain karmic lessons that you have set up for yourself to learn in THIS life.”
It is obvious by the patterns of this life.
I remember many, including one as a Scottish witch that was executed by the Inquisition and a run-away French explorer husband and father now surrounded with his former family. Not fun at all.
“The truth is: Time is simply a dimension. We look at it as "one life after another," but truly, all lives are happening at the same time. As we grow in perception, we become Multi-dimensional in our outlook.”
Like a multiple-layered tic-tac-toe, yes, Jane Roberts material. What brought me to tribe the first time.
I have all the books you recommend already. Maybe are due for a rereading. Consciousness is very complicated to understand and master. We need to be conscious at all time and really self-aware.
Thanks. The advice is timely.
“But I feel that now we need to slow down and cut out all the wasted energies in our lives. Really LOOK at the way we live our lives and let go of anything that we don't really NEED.”
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Fri, August 31, 2007 - 8:02 AM>Could you explain what you mean by manage Multi-dimensionality?
Well, I see how that phrase could get misunderstood. But I actually meant "to manage"....in the primary dictionary definition:
MANAGE: "to handle or direct with a degree of skill"
MULTIDIMENSIONALITY: "many dimensions."
Obviously over-simplified, but why not keep it simple!?
I actually was thinking of starting a Magazine called "Living Multidimensionally." :-) There are so many facets and aspects of the process, that one could write articles about it for years! ;-)
Here's something I wrote about Dimensions:
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Focus in the 3rd dimension can be honed and strengthened by keeping it “simple.” “Chop Wood, Carry Water,” as the Zen saying goes. Doing something with total attention in the 3rd dimension strengthens the spirit and brings out the beauty of the 3rd dimension.
Focus in the 4th dimension is more like a Meditative Focus where a “witness” watches the thoughts flow through the mind without latching on to any one thought. If one wants to later focus on one particular thought/subject/symbol/sound/thing/etc., one can simply note it and come back to it when one is in the 3rd dimension again. One can take that one subject and also meditate on THAT, bringing the 4th dimensional focus on it and seeing it with the “witness” consciousness, without getting involved in it. It is essential, as a “witness,” to make no judgements, but simply to “observe” and “take notice.”
It is possible to develop the quality of “split-focus,” where one engages in the experience and still keeps a “witness” consciousness out there to watch over everything. Many priests/priestesses and shamans, drummers, musicians, dancers have developed this kind of dimensional “straddling.” There is also a kind of “split-focus” that manifests after the event. For instance, you may be in a drumming circle and really get into the music, yet you do not have any other perceptions at the time. But later, perhaps in listening to a person talk, or listening to crickets or something, you have new memories about the event...perhaps you suddenly remember that a blue light came out of your drum. This is simply the difference in memories of events of the 3rd dimension and memories of the 4th dimension, which can happen simultaneously.
We use “coordinates” to tell us “where we are,” or where our “focus” is. Castaneda (quoting Don Juan) would say it’s where our “assemblage point” is. We are the ones who assemble ourselves to function in each dimension.
Things are done differently in each dimension, to take advantage of the unique coordinates of each dimension. Take for instance, the process of Healing. In the 3rd dimension, you might use herbs, physical therapy, surgery....many methods. In the 4th dimension, you might enter into a meditation and search your body in a visualization, then send healing energy to the parts that need healing. Or, you might meditate on a past life where your physical problems may have originated, and suddenly find yourself healed, simply by realizing that you can let go of the past. In the 5th dimension, you might feel swept away into a powerful current and feel that God was touching you; a miracle would occur and you would be completely healed.
These healing procedures can overlap in dimensions, too. When they do this, they are even more effective. For instance, the herbs that you would use in the 3rd dimension might have spiritual “personalities” (like “deva’s”) who would help you utilize the herbs’ special powers. If you could somehow come in contact with the herb-deva (perhaps in automatic writing, or by simply sitting by the growing herb and “listening”), you would partake of a 4th dimensional healing, too.
Or, you could enter the 4th dimension in a “sacred place,” (whether in Nature or one that you constructed yourself) and feel the “eternal spirit” come in to the space and merge with you, for a miraculous healing. It is very possible that, at the moment of healing, someone looking at you from the 3rd dimension might not see you!
Shifting dimensional focus, for those who practice it, can become very natural, and almost instantaneous. In fact, some say we are born with this ability, but our cultural training has blocked it out. Some groups have developed different activating mechanisms (or "triggers") to help people shift their focus. For instance, the change of a drum-beat may signal a dimensional shift. A particular tone, or even a word or phrase--these triggers can come at any time from anywhere - such as from emotions, written material, TV, other people, etc. What these triggers have in common is an aspect of “harmonic resonance.” This resonance may come in the form of any number of things (a sound, a word, a flash of light, a sentence, or an event) which acts as the opening key to a specific range of knowledge. It is good to become more aware of how and when each of us, as individual Multidimensional Beings shift our focus. The more we understand this, the less susceptible we will be to outside manipulation, and the more power and freedom we will have at our disposal to access our own dimensional shifts.
We Multidimensional Beings exist in many dimensions at once. Obviously, we are not aware of each dimension with equal focus. And it is not necessary that we have “equal focus.” Think of it as cooking on a stove with 4 burners and an oven. When you have something simmering “on the back burner,” you might be focused on something else (those veggies you are sauteeing in the front frying pan), but you do have an awareness of it being there. And if you’re NOT cooking at the moment, it is OK to let your focus go.
The more we develop our consciousness and our focus, the more we are able to become aware of the qualities of each dimension and how we can use and enjoy BEING in that dimension. We can become “well-coordinated” Multidimensional Beings when we bring our different Aspects into some common action, movement, or condition. Eventually, we will learn to coordinate all of our Aspects along the lines of our intent....and we will line up our intent in each dimension. We probably won’t want to do this ALL the time, but when we DO, we will have to opportunity to take a quantum leap in dimensional consciousness.
What is your intent? What kind of meal are you cooking up? And who are you feeding? And what do you use as fuel? And what happens if, some day, you have all burners on “high” and the oven on “broil”? Will you blow the fuse????? Or will you be able to handle it.....? Will you be able to sustain that exquisitely high energy and feel it activate a whole new dimensional banquet?
Alignment along the dimensions is inevitable. Like Kundalini rising up the spine, igniting each chakra along the way, we are asked to align our intent with the intent of the Universe....which, if you look at it in a 5th dimensional way, is US anyway! This light and heat is the power of LIFE itself coming together with ITSELF; and dimensional alignment will obviously create new life....just as a plant grows from a seed; the seed will fall away and become compost for the plant which pushes out into its own NEW WORLD. Anything is possible--so let’s create something WONDROUS together!
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Well, I guess I was pretty enthusiastic when I wrote THAT, huh? (hee hee hee!)
For a good overview of the Dimensions, I like Barbara Hand Clow's book:
"Alchemy of Nine Dimensions."
Also, you can think of your different Aspects as Dimensions of the Oversoul.
Another way to see Multidimensionality is to think about the way we use Computers. We might have several Windows open on our Computer and we are doing and saying different things in each. We also might have a game open that we play while we download something else. We might also be running a Search or running a Security Program. You might also be jotting down notes for an article that you're writing.....etc.
The way you manage this process...that's what I'm talking about
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Fri, August 31, 2007 - 2:02 PMThank you, Maggie, for that. I realize that I have not focused my intent for a very long time. I used to be in a program where we practiced it constantly. Lately I've become quite the space cadet. I enjoy hanging out in either mode. You're right, though, that the more we use focus and our intent, the stronger a presence we can have. Just that presence can make a real difference. -
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Sun, September 2, 2007 - 8:40 AMYes, we all need a reminder once in a while! Please DO remind ME if you see me slipping from my own Intent! :-)
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Tue, September 25, 2007 - 11:37 PMSo, is there a simplified version? maybe actual instructions on what to do to take yourself out of the loop? some years ago a psychic named patricia Mischelle told me that i was a very old soul and when she shook my hand she told me i was a healer. The latter comment makes the rest of what she said questionable because i'm no healer despite her insistance when i told her as much. The old soul bit would certainly explain the fatigue and maybe the sadness i'm told (over the years by various people i don't know) that my aura radiates. And, assuming even a bit of truth, what happens to all the souls still hanging around once we render ourselves (and likely most other species as well) extinct? Being unreasonably generous, i'd give us 200 years max. do they all just go *poof!*? whether or not we're a failed experiment in a cosmic petri dish, sitting on a bit of clover being held by an elephant, or merely minimal brain function of a person in a coma *something* has to happen to it all. and there must be a way out. yeah, i know. it's a silly thing to ponder. -
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Fri, September 28, 2007 - 3:52 PM>...because I'm no healer
Maybe you just haven't found your method yet.
Healing can be very interesting, because when
you serve as a catalyst for others' healing,
or you heal yourself, things change all 'round.
Not all healers are in the medical profession.
Not all healers are in the alternative health
professions.
There are artists who heal by offering a
catalytic experience in their art. But in doing
so, they necessarily change themselves.
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Fri, December 28, 2007 - 6:36 PMI can be so slow on the uptake at times. The person who so firmly insisted that I have an extremely old soul and that I'm a healer may actually be right. The old soul bit was never an issue since it certainly explains the crushing mental fatigue that comes with having enough accumulated perspectives to be better than most at analyzing current situations. Sucks big time to realise that you've figured it out and there's not a damned thing that anyone can do. Anyway...I was considering wrong species for the healer bit. My grandma was a cat person. She never turned any away. She always had tons o cats. My grandpa's dog deserved sainthood. There were no barks, growls or swats even though he was almost always half buried in kittens. I didn't mean to, but it seems I took up where she left off.. Been doing it for decades. I could have had a really nice house with nice stuff by now with all the money I've spent on cats. During lean times, I've good for days without food so they won't. I keep the ones that would be put down if they aren't considered unadoptable by conventional standards. As long as they can have a good quality of life, I see to the quantity. I suffer through more cat deaths than most and sometimes it's so hard I can't stand it. When I told the cardiologist that I was done and what I have now is it, she just laughed and called me a liar. I did actually manage to go for quite a while without new ones. Then I was given a bag of half dead very young kittens. They are all healthy and happy young (and a bit gay) adults... In all these years I've only not been able to bring two kittens back. The fact that nobody else could have either doesn't make me feel much better about it though.
Bringing them back is what I do. It's what I've always done. My daughter recently had a very intuitive flash recently that proved she understands. She said that if I had to choose between her and the cats I'd choose her but that if she had to choose between *me* and the cats I'd want her to choose the cats. since she's an intelligent grown woman I suspect that she actually figured that out quite a while ago. or at least when I only barely avoided taking a header out of a window that was way too far from the ground when the only other option was to let him die. I was laid up for several weeks after that. I tore a muscle that I seriously didn't know that I had, but the cat and I were still alive so no regrets. And OMIGOD! Will I please shut up! -
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Re: Oh, I'm not ready yet...that much I know
Sat, January 26, 2008 - 5:13 PMIt sounds like something from the Egyptian civilisation past where they worshipped cats. Archeologists found innumerable cat momies and wondered if they were slaughtered but no, they were worshipped with the proper rites upon death.
I think that the Egyptians recognised their magical psychic abilities.
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Oldness
Sun, September 2, 2007 - 8:29 AMI must say that being an Old Soul is a mixed blessing. It is a challenge as well as an accomplishment. It is a choice as well as a result of karmic acts. And yet.....AND YET....for me there is an element of great LOVE for this planet , the beauty and miracle of it. And the way I view my own "OLDNESS" is very much related to the perspective given to me by my Spiritual Path. I am a Shamanic Witch, which means I see Eldership as a place where true power lives.
I love this planet with a fierce, passionate love. That is my foundation. My Intent is to gather and use Wisdom, for my good and the good of all, according to free will. When I meet with others, from other dimensions and from other planets, my Intent is the same....to join with them in order to bring positive energy to this world and to other worlds. I am one with all-that-is.
I am also a student of energy, a being who recognizes sexual energy as being part of the energy of the Earth and Sky, and what magnetizes us here. As a Witch, I know that Desire is sacred and holy, and what I Desire here (on Tribe) is fellowship and exchange of knowledge and experience, so that we can all benefit. Life Energy can be felt in many ways....as John Lennon put it:
Pools of sorrow waves of joy
are drifting thorough my open mind
Possessing and caressing me
Jai guru deva om
Nothing's gonna change my world
The emotions flow through me. They are the "weather" of my own planet of "me." And I can also share emotional energy with others. It is important that I don't IDENTIFY with the emotions, but to feel them and let them flow through. Part of "feeling" is sometimes NOTING them, describing them, channeling them into songs/poetry/essay/artwork/dance/ creative living.
"Nothing's gonna change my world" means (to me) that I have an inner sanctuary where I can go, where nothing can touch me, nothing can hurt me. It is a serene oasis of peace and tranquility. It is the Center of my Soul. From that Center, I set my Intention to bless all worlds, to love myself and to love my world and all worlds, which happens naturally as I gather and use Wisdom.
>Does it get easier?
Well, in a way. It's like a game where, once one has mastered it, opens to a new board where we become Beginners again.
So cultivate "Beginner's Mind." It will always serve to bring awareness and mindfullness. And it is a good starting point for all the fun to come!
Here's some relevant writings, in case anyone's interested:
www.ironpalm.com/beginner.html
Some writings about Spiritual Paths (from a Native American perspective):
Path of the Sacred Warrior: dreamflesh.com/essays/warriorpath/
Path of the Sacred Clown: dreamflesh.com/essays/clownpath/
Path of the Shaman: dreamflesh.com/essays/shamanpath/
From "Path of the Shaman"---
"It has been said that the first Shaman was Grandmother Fire. She is the true ancestress of all Shamans. It also has been said that the first Shaman invented sex. The Shaman is self-erotic, in love with her own Body and with the Body of Earth. She heats herself, burning off the dross, centering herself in her own luminosity. She radiates well-being and self-confidence. Her leadership emerges out of a passion for life and is sustained by balance. The Shaman’s heat is a centerfire around which a community naturally gathers. Her heat is engendering; and her own gender can hold and transcend the tension of opposites, giving her the ability to operate with success in whatever world she finds herself. Just by being, a Shaman gives comfort by proving that change is possible."
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Re: Oldness and renewal
Mon, September 3, 2007 - 9:04 AMDo you really believe in karma?
I am not sure myself. I think that if you learn the lesson, the universe will not oblige to go through it.
There could be a factor of economy in the universe where it is not set in stone and you simply go on to your next evolution. Brennan even describe people reincarnating in their own body as an ovoform at the base of the vertebral colum. You suddenly stare at your personnaliy and it has suddenly mutated and changed. You are not "you" anymore but a lot more coherent "you" with a new aganda.
Also, sometimes, I wonder if (some) old souls are not the worst to be around. You get these very set in their ways character that are always right in their mind and even have some magical abilities to create a lot of havock as they are very familiar with the earth plane and know how to operate.
They require very though intercession from the universe in the break-down your personnality in order to evolve.
Funny, as a matter of fact, this is what happened to me though I am very far from abusing others. However, I was extremely stubborn and stuck in logic and had to be driven to the brink to open up and even accept my own magical abilities that I had turned against me because of my closed-off attitude.
Evolution is the only game in town. The reason we come here. We come here to acquire experience and it is better when done consciously.
So being conscious, using the power of intent and evolving consciously and not reactively is a must.
Conscious evolution, however, not emoting behaviour needs to be worked at.
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Re: Oldness and renewal
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 7:29 AM>sometimes, I wonder if (some) old souls are not the worst to be around.
Ha ha! Well, "oldness" does not automatically convey "wisdom," nor does it always confer the ability to learn from our mistakes! (Obviously!) ;-)
That is WHY karma is real....at least for me! Karma means "action," and all it means is that when we act, there are consequences. We cannot always predict the consequences of our actions.....but often, we can.
It's like "the butterfly effect".....even the tiniest movement of an insect creates change. That's the nature of our world.
I DO believe we can learn from our karma. Our own attitude toward the things that happen to us....THAT is the thing we can change. I have noticed that when I change my attitude, EVERYTHING changes!
>Evolution is the only game in town. The reason we come here. We come here to acquire >experience and it is better when done consciously.
Ain't it da truth!!!???!!! Consciousness holds the Key, fer sure.
One of the reasons I want to share with others, is that they can remind me to stay conscious! Like you do, Ariadne!
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Re: Oldness and renewal
Tue, September 4, 2007 - 8:28 AMYour definition of "Karma" as "action" ties in with reality creation.
The Seth material claims that we are apprentice-sorcerers and that this system is for emerging consciousness - a very basic one where we learn the basic alphabet of consciousness.
In more evolved systems, thoughts are automatically translated into creations as on the astral or in dreams.
Seth also claims that we are not let off until we have really learned the lessons and that the lessons are very vivid as to really imprint us with a intuitive knowledge.
But as we grow in this system and accrue energy, our materialisation abilities grow with us.
We are all in the soup: right in.
Maybe that is the notion of "Instant Karma".
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