Interpretation of Soul Growth

topic posted Fri, December 31, 2004 - 12:26 PM by  Lynne
Does anyone know about the Michael teachings? I know very little but had a housemate who studied it extensively through a modification of it called "Higher Alignment."

The idea behind Higher Alignment is to locate a life partner who has the most similarities to you so that you can see each other's failings, and support each other's strengths. The usual way is to go along with the attraction of opposites. With an opposite, you don't have personal, inside experience with their negatives and each can hide them from each other (I mean the buried, subconscious stuff). So growth is not so easily fostered in that relationship. Also, they don't tend to be as successful as relationships between similars. Birds of a feather flock together, kind of a thing. So they teach you all kinds of ways to discern right away whether someone is on the same wavelength you are, to save you time in finding your soul mate.

Anyway, the Michael teachings are channeled. Michael is a "group soul" that many different channels have access to, so you can find various channelers with this same information. There are books on the teachings, but I haven't found them to be real readable. The idea is that we are all sparks of God and we go thru life after life so that God can experience "otherness" and have all these myriad experiences. Eventually, we evolve and go back to God. So it's a circular thing. Soul growth basically follows the same growth pattern as a single human lifetime does. First there are infant souls. There aren't many at this time on the planet nowdays. You wouldn't know any of them. They would be brand new souls, probably incarnated deep in a jungle, just merely concerned with the basics of food and shelter and learning what life is. Souls go thru each phase many, many times. So there can be a young infant soul, a middle infant soul, and an old infant soul.

Then it finally progresses to a baby soul. There are lots of baby souls on the planet right now, especially in the U.S. (Our country is a young country, as far as countries go, too, so the soul of the U.S. is an adolescent. Can't you just see that?! LOL!)

Baby souls need strong direction, black and white rules they can follow, a strong parental figure to guide them. They are not capable of nuances because they just haven't been around long enough. The world is a very big, scary place. They are motivated by safety and security. Remind you of anyone? How about our puppet in the White House and all of his followers?

The next phase after many, many lifetimes as a baby soul, is to progress to adolescent age. That’s where so many Americans are. That’s when a soul realizes that the parents/leaders are not always right. They begin to develop an ego of their own and become curious about their own power in the world. They are quite often yuppies—the “me” generation. They are the CEOs of our corporations. They are very creative and energetic. They are greedy for power over others, for money because it gives power, and for accumulating things of their own. They are the most materialistic. They assert their egos on the world and use others for their own goals. They are chiefly concerned with how far they can go in life. There are young adolescent souls, middle adolescent souls, and old adolescents who are just about done with that phase. They have mined all the gold out of it and are ready to open up to what’s beyond all that.

So they incarnate finally as “mature” souls. They realize that, “Hey! There are other people out there besides just me!” They want to get involved in relationships. They are the ones who are chiefly concerned with relating. They create all kinds of drama in relationships because they want to know where they end and the other begins. They want to know what the boundaries and differences are in relating with others.

After many lifetimes exploring relationships, the soul matures into an old soul. This soul has incarnated over and over and over and over. It has seen just about everything and knows there is much more to life that does not meet the eye. Ordinary life starts to become too mundane, too meaningless to hold their interest. They become intensely interested in what’s beyond our immediate five senses. This is when the soul begins to experiment with meditation, drugs possibly, astral travel, psychic phenomena, etc. I’d say I’m probably an old mature soul/borderline to new old soul. I’m just recently done with relationships. I’m very aware of how much the “unseen world” has to offer, how happy I am in deep meditation compared to my ordinary life, and yet it’s still difficult to devote myself to pursuing it.

Beyond the old soul stage, comes the soul devoted to world service. These are the rare old souls like Mother Theresa, Gandhi, Martin Luther King, Jr., etc. They have deep mystical knowledge that all is God, and they just want to serve the Divine in all its manifestations. Their soul is getting ready to merge back into God.

This is just the tip of the iceberg of the teachings on soul growth. But I’ve found this part to make enormous sense. No wonder my family members have always thought I was off in the land of fruits and nuts! No matter how I’ve tried to explain and show them what I’m learning and what makes me who I am, they cannot begin to understand. It’s because they have not had the lifetimes of experience that I have. I think I’m an older soul than they are. My mother constantly asks why I need to continue “searching” and why I can’t just be happy where I am. It’s because I’m so deeply aware that what we see in front of us is not all there is! I’m being called to a deeper experience of reality. These teachings have given me much more patience with people and much more of a sense that everything and everyone is in its/their rightful place. I sure they grow up before totally destroying this planet, though! But I have heard one wise person say that having Bush in the White House is like having a baby with a machine gun in the house. The parents are not paying any attention and looking for the welfare of all concerned. So possibly that’s part of the role of old souls! I ponder this question a lot.

How is it that the baby or adolescent souls are always the ones in charge here?! I’m dying to know what you all think on this issue!
posted by:
Lynne
SF Bay Area
  • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

    Fri, February 4, 2005 - 6:22 AM
    Hi Lynne,
    I'm a very old soul, enjoyed your post! Very accurate descriptions in soul growth. Yes sometimes it is very frustrating when relating to people at different soul levels. One thing that helps is determining straight away where they are at, so you can converse with them at their soul level and maybe just maybe advancing them a little bit, isnt't that what we are here for, advancement of other souls?! Being old souls we are backwards compatible, smile, even if we only converse at a younger level for a short time. There are times I absolutely yearn for another old soul to converse with, who understands the bigger picture, who understands and truly knows life beyond this world. I have met one or two here and there, we had fabulous conversations that other people around us just didn't understand and it is great to be reminded there are others like you out there. Being an old soul has it blessings and challenges. You are not off to land of fruits and nuts, smile, you've evolved beyond where most everyone else is, "Weird is only something Normal hasn't experienced yet" (this is from my poetry book), so embrace what they perceive as Weird, you've earned it! Be all of you, they'll either learn from it or not, that is their choice! Hope this helps in some small way, know you are great just the way you are!!
    Doreen
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      Fri, February 4, 2005 - 9:47 AM
      Hi Doreen,

      Thank you for your thoughtful response! Yes, it's so wonderful to meet fellow old souls who can understand us. I'm glad to meet you.

      I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm unhappy with who I am or my "weirdness." I'm fully myself, reveal myself as fully as I can, and if they don't like it, well that's for them to work out. I have been frustrated over the years as to why my mother just cannot get my fascination with the deeper mysteries of life. Since learning the Michael interpretation, I am no longer frustrated. The interpretation makes sense to me and gives me much more peace with other people.

      I just have this continuing question about what our role in the world, as old souls, ought to be. I guess everyone will have their own ideas about the contribution they are to make--whether it's to sit quietly in their meditation and send light and love and not get involved in the dramas, or whether it's to get politically involved and try to help guide Earth's human citizens toward more harmony. Should we try to save this lovely planet, or is it REALLY nothing more than an illusion? I'm the type who likes to cover all the bases, so I do everything I can in both arenas--meditation and action, I mean.

      I'm not advanced enough to know the truth about reality. But one time in meditation, I was sitting on a log in a meadow in the High Sierra, and I saw the entire scene flap briefly just like a sheet on the clothesline. It was like the aperture of a camera opening and then snapping shut. It was extremely startling and a bit unsettling. But the picture was taken and remains with me. Hmmmm. Any comments, anyone?
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        Fri, February 4, 2005 - 1:27 PM
        Hi Lynne, hopefully I did not imply anything by my post about your happiness or lack there of, that was not my intent at all, just sharing and was expressing to all.
        Ah the illusion of the Amusement Park of Life, what a great topic! What is reality? Objective or Subjective Reality? Does enough congruent subjective realities create objective reality? If enough people in the world believe that the world is good, does it make the world good? Is that what it will take become heaven becomes earth and earth becomes heaven? Is that what it will take before the veil is lifted or is earth totally lifted to the higher dimension? All good questions, would love to hear thoughts on this as well?
        About old souls roles, well that varies depending on the souls mission/purpose in this life, but an underlying theme seems to be to guide those who want guidance while remaining detached from any outcome. Now that is the tough part, not getting married to any outcome, but doing your best and holding energies high regardless. Unconditional Love, Understanding and Compassion are key elements to working with various soul groups.
        It is great to meet you as well, look forward to more posts!!
      • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

        Sat, April 29, 2006 - 5:54 AM
        Hello there Lynne..When i read about your frustration with your mom, it immediately reminded me of myself..She always thought i was a weirdo/ freak or whatever, and had many times told me that she wished i was like the other people my age. But anyway, very much later, when i came across the term "old soul" and informed my mom about it, she was a lil' taken aback, and has been calling me an old soul ever since!

        And by the way, i found your experience in your last paragraph rather interesting because i'd experienced something similar before as well. It happened a few years ago when i was at this highlands with some friends. What happened was instead of seeing the mountains which theoritically speaking i should be seeing, i was seeing other 'movies' which were being played randomly..Some of the 'movies' were ones at a night market, and a water theme park..i was very engrossed in watching those 'movies' because i didn't know what would happen next in them..And to think that some of my friends were wondering how is it that i wasn't bored staring at the mountains heh..Anyway, i think these 'movies' were actually visions..i did see a lot of things at those highlands..It was a very memorable experience..Reading your story reminded me of it :)

        Blessed be
        nidya
  • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

    Mon, March 20, 2006 - 12:45 AM
    Hi Lynne

    I found your post because I was specifically looking for someone who's heard of the Michael teachings. I, too, find the books particularly difficult to read, yet I find the system immensely helpful and grounding. The more I learn about it, the more it seems the best description, system, or perspective on the living universe that I've encountered.

    I have subscribed to some tapes - well, now cds of study sessions by Jose and Lena Stephens at Pivotal Resources (www.pivres.com). I've also attended some of their lectures when they come to the area - basically an annual overview of the state of the planet.

    I am still figuring out the various roles, and other elements of the system. My main "frustration" has been that we older souls don't do groups as well as the younger souls, so building connections hasn't been easy. I hope that a tribe might get going here.

    thanks for starting the tribe
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    Sat, April 29, 2006 - 5:40 AM
    "How is it that the baby or adolescent souls are always the ones in charge here?! "

    i think it's because old souls are done with all the drama etc that goes on, and so generally, they're mostly uninterested in political stuff..so they give this part of the role to be played by the younger souls.
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      Sat, April 29, 2006 - 12:02 PM
      Hi Everyone,

      I've finally dropped in again. I remain intensely interested in this question. The more I meditate, attend enlightenment intensives, do a few shamanic practices, the more I truly get that I AM an old soul. I see ultimate Truth where others don't appear to, for example that life is eternal and it's not about the body. I can sense into people's hearts where others might write them off because of personality quirks, for example. I'm WAY more open than many I encounter.

      I'm more and more deeply concerned about the human race and our lovely planet Earth, though. I study everything with what little time I have between working full time and trying to maintain a healthy body at the age of 55. I am reading dire warnings by scientists about global warming (I work at a federally-funded scientific laboratory). I'm also reading inside stuff about the fundamentalist Christians who are trying to bring about the second coming of the Christ by creating the demise of the planet. They call it "The Rapture." This is all brought about by the huge popularity of the "Left Behind" books by Tim LeHaye. I'm not sure if I spelled his name correctly. Anyway, Vanity Fair magazine recently ran an extensive article on this topic and I've seen other sources of info on it, too. Tim LeHaye is a powerful businessman, long affiliated with others at the top echelons of the business world. There are intimations that the ultra wealthy Republicans are using the Christian baby souls to go along with their agenda so they can pillage the environment for their own greedy purposes. For these two reasons, I'm more and more alarmed about the fate of our planet. It seems like the combination of greed on the one hand in cahoots with religious fanaticism on the other is like a train running full speed ahead with no brakes.

      I'm spreading information far and wide as best I can, but many other old souls I know would prefer to bury their heads in the sand saying that they don't want their consciousness "polluted" by the news.

      I also feel very put upon and frustrated by two adolescent souls at work who are very much into their power trips and the creation of their little fiefdoms. They are both bosses of mine so I'm subject to them and they do their best to make me feel like an underling with no knowledge, experience, or wisdom of my own. It's particularly frustrating in a work environment because you can't exactly educate them, as a subordinate. So all I've come up with is just not to react to their power plays--just to feign indifference and go home to do my boiling over while working out on my NordicTrack. LOL! Maybe it's just my ego reacting to theirs, but why am I there if there is no contribution to make on the soul level? I'm not saying that I have to be a teacher or anything like that--I just would like some confirmation from the Universe that my Presence contributes, I guess. Something like that. Maybe I just need to have faith that it does. Any suggestions, commiserations, rebuttals, etc??
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        Sun, April 30, 2006 - 9:42 PM
        Hello everyone!

        I'm new to the tribe. So glad I found fellow old souls. Lynne, imagine being born into a family of fundamentalist christians as an old soul! I remember being 4 or 5 years old and being absolutely horrified at the visions of hell and even heaven! I was curious to know my mother's view on the subject and she said we need to live a good life so we don't go to hell. I proceeded to ask her about a view of heaven. She said we would go and praise God for eternity. I said that couldn't be all...that would get very boring. She was so shocked. I love my family deeply, but since going off to college, I've never really looked back. I've learned that it's futile to argue over religion. It is disturbing to see these actions though. When I hear someone talking about this or acting out those tendencies, it reverberates through my soul. I know, though, that they're experiencing something that all of us had to, and will have to. The most I can do is live a joyful life, and encourage people to do the same...by teaching through example. People watch you all the time, because they sense something. I've also noticed that some people seem to label old souls as very passive, disinteresed, and lacking in ambition. Not so. Maybe not so doggedly aggressive. I strongly feel I am in one of my last go-rounds, if not my last. I knew very quickly what I was supposed to do this time around. I do operate with a sense of love as well as detachment. I haven't seen the Michael Teachings before....is there a website?
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        Fri, June 30, 2006 - 3:43 PM
        Hello Lynne. I am very happy to find this tribe as I know many of you are as well. Thank you for sharing your thoughts Lynne. I feel much the same way about current world issues. I also understand what it is like to want to be appreciated and acknowledged in some way. For me it is about having my feelings validated. Astrology has helped me in some ways--i.e. my moon sign is pisces, which means I understand the big picture, I am able to connect with the spiritual, sensitive to psychic impressions and so forth. However, some people have this nodal placement in say the 10th house of career an public standing. Mine is in the 5th house of creativity and sex. Anyways, just wanted to share some thoughts.

        Peace, Love, and Friendship to all,

        Josh
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        Mon, September 4, 2006 - 10:23 PM
        Hi Lynn and all,

        I, too, finally dropped in again and remain interested in these questions and discussion.

        I find work and living in society as an older soul quite a balancing act: I can't be as open or "soulful" when I go to work (as a Legal Secretary with a group of <teen-age-soul> lawyers).

        I have learned that, as with talking with a child, say in grammar school, one can't discuss college or high-school level topics as it's premature for them. One can try to introduce some topics, sometimes, to some people, but mostly they are simply not ready nor interested. Seeing it that way helped me to be loving, understanding and not frustrated.

        Meanwhile, like younger children on a rampage, I do believe that there must be a way to step in to minimize, if not prevent, utter destruction of our physical realities (temporarily putting aside philosophic and religious questions/debates of reality, dream-states). I don't know the effect or outcome of whatever we may do, however I have thought that it's time to be, to stand for, that which I wish the world to become - even if I'm not certain to prevail. (to re-paraphrase Gandhi's saying <be the change you wish to see in the world>.

        That said, part of it is keeping oneself on one's path: and I, personally, am not able to hold strong my vision and self within the context of the very young-soul law office. Thus, I am beginning to shift careers. For me, I realize that the tail can't wag the dog: I am not in a position to (significantly) change those in the firm and, for me, it's too destabilizing and unfulfilling to continue working against my deeper beliefs.

        Meanwhile, in the day-to-day at the office, all we can do is stay our course and try not to fall for the red herrings: to participate in the young-soul's power trips and games, but rather try to keep to our path, relating to them on our own terms, rephrasing when necessary (as it often is). I can't do this all the time, but I am giving many opportunities to practice! <g>

        The rapture is very disturbing - it is the only thing that makes sense to me of Pres. Bush's m.o.: he's smarter than the press lets him get away with. The only thing that makes sense is that he truly believes that the world will end, the sooner the better, and that in the meantime, he and his friends will make money and party with no thought of the effect on others (who aren't saved anyway). It is extremely disturbing to me that the U.S. has re-elected such a cabal.

        I'll try to find the Vanilty Fair article ... sounds interesting to read.

        Meanwhile, I hope we can help support each other through contact. Thanks for posting.

  • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

    Thu, December 20, 2007 - 6:29 AM
    I can TOTALLY relate to this issue! In my family, I was also the freak for thinking different and finally had to cut contact with them as they, particularly my mother, seemed to be threatened by me. I have no regrets about that. I have been told by therapists and healers that I definately think a lot differently (more advanced) than most people and my ethics, outlook is way over the bell curve. I have also really struggled with why haven't I graduated out of planet earth by now? Am I a freak for chosing to come here AGAIN?! Was I completely MAD or what???? It really troubles me (and has for many years) to see so much death and suffering in the world. Perhaps it is to help others as well as learning and growing more in my own life. I'm just not sure what that helping others is about as I don't feel I'm doing enough and/or utilizing my potential.. etc. Thanks for bringing this up.
    • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

      Sat, January 26, 2008 - 5:24 PM
      Accept the ride. Being an old soul means that we stop dramatizing and take it for an incredible learning odessey, Have a nice big fat cigar, a nice glass of cognac and from your stuffed armchair stare at the marvellous vista.
      Don't learn from pain. It is dumb. The blind way. Learn from wisdom. We are very lucky to be living in a time where books are available and alll of the Internet's contents. It is a privilege that we have earned.
      See, we were once young souls that grinded on the older souls' nerves. Maybe you were sent to your family as an awakener. You choose. I remember choosing my life and I chose it as a dare, something that would really give me the opportunity to learn and it has. So let it go. Maybe that is what is keeping you here.
      We leave the earth when we could stay there forever and run it criss-cross, all issues resolve.
      it is also a wild beautiful world. Have a look at the scenery before you leave.
  • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

    Thu, June 12, 2008 - 10:10 PM
    It's the journey that counts, and not necessarily the destination. For without the journey, we wouldn't reach the destination, right?

    Enjoy the ride!

    :-)

    ~eye~
    • Re: Interpretation of Soul Growth

      Sat, June 14, 2008 - 7:57 PM
      Hi everybody. Thanks for starting this thread, Lynne. I'm a Michael channel and teacher. I LIVE this stuff.

      Unfortunately, I don't have time to read all the previous posts and post an in-depth response, but I will very soon. Hopefully, I can answer any questions and provide details, as teaching the Michael system is part of why I'm here this time around.

      Love to all :)

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